38 special 125 grain load data bullseye

3 gr of WST in a 38 spl case with 125 gr plated bullet is a very light load. Red Dot work fine for most 38 Special loads. I do this for my .357s but this article is about .38 Special loads. When I finally nabbed my own canisters of Bullseye, the first load I spun up was 2.7 grains under Hornadys hollow-base wadcutters. 41 Rem Mag 35,000 I keep thinking about trading it for a Model 27 or, maybe, one of the new Pythons for extra weight. Too early Are you sure? You will be, essentially, making 38 Short Colt. Hence I carry a semi-auto pistol chambered in .40 S&W. 5 are good choices. Ive been reloading and shooting for over 40 years and love revolvers but 90% of the time my carry gun is a Sig 365 with a 12 round mag and a spare. Also internet references 2009, Copyright. .38 Special (Using Hornady Bullets) reloading data with 353 loads. Most of these are at the upper end. I've tried 2.8, 3.0, and 3.2. Left to right:148 gr. Im still new to reloading, having done 2500 38 spl with bullseye. So if you find a "lead" load it is also a plated load. (Note H110 & W296 are the same as of 2008 as is HP-38 & W231), (IMR 4227 is same as H-4227 if made in Australia), * Blackhorn 209 is a black powder substitute with smokeless like qualities. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Primer Notes; Hodgdon - 700-X: 125 gr. 594/600 at the real distances of 24 rnds at 50 yds, 24 rnds at 25 yes, and 12 rnds at 7.5 yds. Think a lot of people would find that a .44 special or .45 Colt, in a decent revolver, a viable alternate to a pistol. This is my plink load for the kids. You will find plenty of Red Dot loads there. Thanks very much to LarryinTX for that! I burned up about 300 of them before giving up. I load my own, 130 gr RNFP using Win 231 powder a little over the mid point in the published load data. The only reason that my standard (everyday carry) self-defense handgun is not a .38 Special revolver is because I can conceal a semi-auto better (it isnt as fat as the cylinder on a revolver) and my semi-auto has 15 rounds of hard-hitting 180 grain bullets. 9 mm, .40 sw, 45 acp, .44 mag. Its worth mentioning that loaders do all kinds of obsessive rituals to squeeze the groups down. Has anyone loaded 38 special with these compoments? Although the .357 cylinders are the same length so they can be timed to a 642. Using bullets from Hornady HP-XTP, Hornady HP-XTP or FP-XTP, Hornady FP-Cowboy, Hornady HBWC, Hornady SWC-HP, SWC or LRN. Ive not had a handgun entirely reject either load, so the recipe seems to be a worthy third alongside the previous .38 and .45. Hence the lack of load data from just about anybody. Id pay at least a dollar to see it. I have the shrouded hammer version, the 638, and have been wary of training much with it because of its aluminum frame. WITH THE SWAGED BULLETS REDDING SELLS A PROFILE CRIMP DIE. In a 1909 vintage Smith & Wesson target .38, the 2.7-grain load cut a nearly one-inch cluster, showing that classics go well together. My use of the term adequate means that Hodgdon has produced a workable result for the .38 Special, .38 Special +P, and .357 Magnum that may be used for 125 grain weight bullets having velocity limitations. Based on this Id load some at 3.3 and 3.5 and see what you get, but Id never exceed 3.8 ever. Super cheap and easy to make and would likely be a very effective defense ammo against wildlife that might be a threat to me as the two balls will spread an inch or two from each other at close range. I once had to quote the South Carolina Supreme Court when they had spelled it loathe., Regards, Powered by Invision Community, 125 grain plated flat point in 38 Special. You can fit 7.1gr of powder under the 125gn JHP bullet? [.38 Special] is a very versatile and useful round. Good shootin! Also some WSF. In a day you can make over 100,000 bullets. 38 Special, all bullet weights Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source 110gr JHP! I buy 158 SWCHP all the time.my main bullet. My more serious RN is the 358311 that drops @150 gr. Interesting. Speer shows 3.9 to 4.5 grains for a double end lead wadcutter but I'm thinking that may be a little strong for a plated bullet. I almost spit out my drink when I read your comment. Hornady No matter where you look, the first mention in classic loads for the .38 Special is a 148-grain wadcutter over 2.7 grains of Bullseye. I completely understand the respect for the performance of the 327 Fed, but not being a big fan of the 357 Mag (or 38 SPL plus P for that matter) I havent been drawn to the 327. Reloading .44 Spl. Is it more bulky? Agree 100% since I reload and shoot it since years, lost count. For 3 that actually doesnt kick too badly. I recently picked up a 396 Nightguard and am a convert to the 44 Special! I dont own anything in .38 special yet, but I have plans to buy a .357 magnum revolver in near future, so I already reloaded couple thousands of rounds in .38 and .357. I'm asking the above questions because I don't want to run too hot of a load, but wasn't sure if it was ok to drop down below 2.8 as far as 2.5. But I think I was still loading the cases from that first box when I quit loading 18 years later! was a breeze. Softer alloys of lead are just easier on the machinery. I have not loaded plated bullets in quite some time, since they are not useful for my accuracy needs. 2 and No. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. These two can cover the entire performance spectrum up to .38+P. It also shows that the loads were established using a 6" barrel, so regardless of what any published data shows, the chances of ever finding published data for the exact projectile and barrel length you are using, as well as the exact conditions you will be shooting in, would be nearly impossible. JHP, (WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter, HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose), (JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet). Bullseye is one of the oldest smokeless pistol powders and still one of the most popular. WAP, WMR, WSF, WSL, 760, 748, 231 and 540 are products of Winchester, Components Div. Winchester 231 is between Bullseye and Unique for the .38 special (see my personal load above). 125: 125: 130: 135: 140: 140: 146: 148: 158: 158: 158: 170 _____ Quick Links Home Load Data Bullet Points: BE SURE TO CHECK OUT & FOLLOW MY INSTAGRAM FEED CONNECT WITH THE 1895GUNNER.COM COMMUNITY . http://www.adi-powders.com.au/handloaders-guide/equivalents.asp. Required fields are marked *. I cannot begin to fathom shooting 20,000 rounds out of that revolver! Which left me with the last two. It's given me good results in the 2, 3 and 4 inch barreled. No more lead in the barrel or on my hands. Hodgdons Clays, International, Universal and HP38 are good choices. The Pistol a Smith and Wesson model 27-2 The goal is two fold. My brother put CT laser grips on his wifes M36. : 1.475" Powder: 6.0 gr 6.9 gr Vel. Two years into my second century a Colt MK IV Series 80 LTWT Commander 45 ACP still delivers the big medicine, but I have become enthralled with a new wheel gun- a Charter Arms Professional 32 H&R Magnum. I am aware of the plated bullet limitations on BE accuracy and am more interested in them for their "plinkability". Midway has it in stock. Easiest way is casting lines and a sprue mark on nose or base. If I do carry a revolver its my 642 with a laser grip in my right front pocket or my SW model 69 5 shot 44 mag. (Inceptor) Diameter: 0.357" Powder: CFE Pistol (Hodgdon) Primer: WIN WSP Case: WIN Trim Length: 1.145" C.O.L. Unlike many other guns Ive owned and carried, this little snubby really cant be modified much beyond factory configuration. So I'd think you should find a decent load for short line at about 700 Fps and for the long line at about 800. I started with a Lee Loader for my shiny new Python .357, because all the ammo I could find (in 1968) was lead semiwadcutters, loaded so hot they sloughed off the lead in the bore, so after a box you couldnt see any rifling, it looked like a smoothebore, and lord was it hard to clean!! accuracy. Compac for my little finger to wrap around under the butt. The .38 ammo is more common to find than the .44 ammo, so that is a big reason to reload the .44. I don't have a chronograph, but have considered picking one up. It was introduced in 1902 by Smith & Wesson, and has since become a worldwide cartridge. I'm planning to use Alliant's Unique powder to reload with 125 grain flat point jacketed bullets from Berry's and Winchester small pistol primers. If there is only ONE load, it is MAX. Eventually somebody introduced me to tungsten carbide resizing dies, after which case life became near indefinite. If you have the means, I highly recommend you trying one out. I dont see much conversation on these specifics but I think Its all about the size of the explosion in the chamber. I only wish the brass was more available locally. How does WST compare to Bullseye powder? YouTube has plenty of reloading channels or the Reloaders Network webpage has more info as well. I don't have a chronograph, but have considered picking one up. Something like the Ruger GP100 or S&W 686 yup, theyre the best caliber for those size revolvers. We look at three classics: one each in .45 ACP, .38 Special, and 9mm. I have experimented with both of Hornadys 200-grain semiwadcutters in this load: the more button-nosed SWC and the longer Combat/Target (C/T) version. 2, No. Currently using Titegroup, but started out with, and loaded many thousands of rounds, with Bullseye. Bullseye is primarily associated with .38 and .45after all, it says right on the bottle: Great for .38 Special and .45 Auto target loads. But it is equally at home in high-velocity auto loads. I'm guessing they still go bang, and leave the gun to go downrange. Bullseye Handgun Powders Smokeless pistol powder Billions of rounds have been loaded with Bullseye since it was introduced in 1913. Components add up to far less than even generic grade factory ammo. Think that if a .44 spl. You are spot on about Trail Boss, that stuff is magical with cast reloads. The cases are large enough that they can be easily manipulated by inexperienced hands and yet small enough to not require much force in the sizing stage. Reducing consumables (and therefore cost) that much more is definitely appealing to me. I dont bother polishing my .38 brass because I just dont let it fall in the mud or dirt. If you have a lightweight .38 or older gun, you may want to start with 10% less than max amounts listed above, and work up to the full loads. Most notably the lighter weight bullets. 44 Rem Mag 36,000. Jacketed bullets create a bit more wear on the rifling, but its better than trying to wire brush out a bunch of lead build up. Does anyone have any luck with Jacked Bullets. Jacketed bullets are legal for DR, as long as they are 158 grain round nose or semi-wadcutter. In terms of the best stopping power for .38 Special, I personally like 150 grain full wadcutters or 158 grain hollowpoint semi-wadcutters. You trade a little less speed for a little more mass but at snubnose velocities I really think the standard 158 grain slug gives the best penetration. The other .38 Special is a 4 Colt Diamondback. Loads for .38 S&W: This short, little cartridge has been around since the 1870's and was most common in the "break-top" models. Would you like to react to this message? The Internet Pedant Where many shooters quickly tire of even standard-pressure .38 in the little five-shooters, the wadcutter invites cylinder after cylinder of practice. 4.2 gr. (Note: These are near maximum loads (in some cases ARE MAXIMUM), you should use 10%. Start conservative if you wish. What overal length of the cartridge? Just dont shoot a rabbit with this load if you want to be able to eat any of it. Always make sure your lead bullets have been sized and lubricated. VV N320, N330 and N340 are products of VihtaVouri Oy Company My Reloading Manual for .38 Special has plenty of data for 125 gr JHP, and 125 gr JFP for Scot Powders/Vhitavuori, but nothing for Unique/W231/Bullseye. Never ransom rested it, but held 10 ring off sandbags. Recoil in that gun is less than most 45 ACP 1911s I have shot, and its still got around 500-600ft lbs of energy which is more than enough for feral hogs around the ranch back home. If you can follow simple instructions, you can safely load this cartridge. Best to start a little low, and work up slowly with a chrono, though. Here is the dillema: The Lyman manual says starting load is 3.2 grains and MAX. It'll look funky, but it will shoot. I use Bullseye powder but it's about the same burn rate. it seems awful confusing, but with time you will be able to interpolate the published data into something that will give you good starting points to work up your loads. SWC+GC, I have a few 30-30 cases modified to shoot singles with a very light load. 4.4 gr. I use Bullseye powder but it's about the same burn rate. My Dad has advanced arthritis and could not longer easily work his auto loaders. If you are new to reloading. Coming in 30 grains lighter and 80 fps slower than hardball, as well as being lead rather than jacketed, the 200/4.6 SWC is amazingly soft. Use the lead bullet loads with the plated and you will be fine. That isnt unique to Bullseye, but is certainly more pronounced with the relatively small charges required. is a good place to start. I load my 38 target ammo to 3.5 grainsand my self defense 38 to 3.8 grains, when using 158 grain bullets (and Bullseye). All the data says this should be an OK load , even "mid-range" for non +p. Powders include IMR, Hodgdon, Alliant, Vihtavuori, Winchester, Accurate Really important to have a chrono if you're going to work up loads When I first bought my chrono, I was amazed at how HOT my loads were - unnecessarily. Unsurpassed for .45 ACP target loads. Therefore, the conventional wisdom is that they must be loaded to a lower velocity. I found some data for 148 and 158 gr bullets but no published data on the 125s. (Same issue found with a 12 oz. These are the bullets I bought: 158 gr from Roze dist. 32 S&W Long 15,000 I'm still hunting for a DR load for my S&W M19-5. A circa 1918 Colt gobbled them up, as did several other 1911s that can be particular about bullet profile. Youre describing Remington Multiball ammunition (R357MB)- I used to carry that stuff decades ago. Larry Gibson "Deficient observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid notions and foolish ideas prevailing." Nikola Tesla 01-30-2020, 01:43 PM #9 Mr_Flintstone Boolit Buddy Join Date Jan 2020 Location (Cowboy Action) 38 Special (Cowboy Action) 38-40 Win. Initially I shot them out of my Dads prized Smith & Wesson 686 and learned a great deal about double-action shooting and what a truly accurate handgun can do with a wadcutter. By People who prepare usually tend to focus on the survival basics: security/self-defense, water, food, first aid, sanitation/hygiene, knowing when to get out and when to stay put. Is it considered safe to down load a cartridge that far under starting? This load tends to clock about 670 feet-per-second (fps) give or take 20, depending on the exact brand of wadcutter and the revolver its fired in. You can post now and register later. Speer .38 shot cup, 5 grains of UNIQUE, and (3) #1 Buckshot pellets dates back to the 70s as a Junk Yard Dog load. Seems like everyone is all orgasmic about bigger, faster, more of, etc. A 4 inch barrel would be my choice as well. Bullseye is a little smoky, a lot sooty, and has a distinct odor. That being the case, I truly NEED as much ammunition as possible and the ability to defeat soft barriers such as auto windshields, sheet metal, drywall, doors, etc. I reload a 3 CA Bulldog in .44 with 200 gr wadcutters, to recreate the Man Stopper loads of long ago. These are hand loads.. load data was published in Lyman 50th edition.. My Lyman 49th has data for 125 gr JHP and 120 gr LRN. Allgoodhits Posts : 726 Join date : 2017-09-17 Location : Northern Virginia Like This Cast Reloading Bullet feeds great in automatics and has excellent accuracy in both the 9mm and 38 Super. Ive loaded some wadcutters to the point of being flush with the case mouth and big lead bullets almost to the front of the cylinder. of Bullseye, 148 gr lead DEWC and Federal 100 primers. . When I finally got my hands on a pound of Bullseye, I naturally started with some of these loads. It has been many years since I used a Lee Loader and a wooden mallet to reload 8mm Mauser. 1.) I don't completely understand the physics behind it. (bullseyeforum.net). I just dont like practicing with it. Youd just be risking ALOT firing it in a .38 framed revolver. 2 and No. This gun now wears factory synthetic grips which are decent but could use more girth behind the trigger guard. 2.9 of Clays is soft enough and dead accurate at 50yds. Classic loads are economical. defensive ammo. I did 400 rounds in one afternoon on my Hornady progressive. That one Ill keep. Canister Sizes: View All Bullseye Recipes are you loading .38 special brass, or .357 magnum brass? Click there and go to the load data lookup section . Its the only gun that has appreciated in value (as long as you ignore inflation). After making a healthy pile of brass with this load, I am unlikely to ever be without a few boxes of it on standby. The instructors worked magic in many cases, but having a load like this to gradually work shooters onto full-strength loads would have been a great tool. I can usually keep 1.5" groups with it at 25 yards if I do my part. I'm not looking to blow up my old model 10. But not too tough. The proof pressure MAP specified by SAAMI is 29,500 psi for both rounds. Therefore, .38 Special +P ammo can be as much as 17.5 percent hotter than standard .38 Special. The manufacturing process of swaged bullets requires relatively soft lead for two reasons. I think you will find since the .38 special is headspaced on the rim your case length is very important to achieve your best accuracy. Congratulations on spelling loath right. There is a difference in the manufacturing process of swaged bullets. A longer case, with have a tighter crimp them a shorter one, what will lead to variations in pressure, and accuracy. I think the 158 lrn is more accurate then the swc but that's just me. Very little recoil, and grouped acceptably out to 15 yards or so. 158 gr. Honestly, plated bullets won't give you the level of accuracy needed for bullseye competition, even at 25 yards. When I teach other people the basics of reloading, I teach them on the .38 SPL. The stuff you learn shooting 20,000 reloads (on top of thousands of rounds of factory ammo) can be pretty interesting and I feel that Ive got a very good picture of what the .38 Special. Would you like to react to this message? Javascript is required. Ive played with several that I like, but the classic in 9mm is 4.4 grains driving a 115-grain jacketed bullet. This would be for plinking for my wife's ~3" Rossi, so something light and fun to shoot would be great. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion. I really enjoy Trail Boss and use it extensively for plain lead and plated bullets. But I would only be caught dead with one in my hands if I had to use one for self defense (pun intended). I found it to be a nice blend of accuracy, soft recoil, and sure functioning, with enough spice behind it to reliably topple steel targets. Bullseye, Unique and 2400 are products of Alliant (formerly Hercules) Powders. Hi. Clear editor. Great article & thread!!! WST is less dense than BE. I have a long way to go before I'm ready to compete, but enjoy plinking and hand loading. This represents a great start, and if thats all you do, youll still be far better off than the majority of the population.

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